Last week, our co-founder Rafal Cymerys was invited to join Bloc Thinking Podcast with two amazing hosts: Werner Puchert and Jonathan Gall.

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Listen to their conversation that covers a number of topics including:

• the difference between solving machine problems vs. solving people problems
• challenges and findings while designing without visual interface
• impact of language and accents while working with voice
• the why behind focusing solely on voice

And also bits and pieces of Rafal's personal story: why being just a software engineer became boring, how Upside came to life and what are the plans for the future.

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